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Thursday, May 18, 2006
Gehry in Brooklynighton

"We're trying to understand what is Brooklyn, what is the body language of Brooklyn, and trying to emulate it without copying it. Copying it would trivialize it."
Gentility gets a look-in, though: he has remained true to the idea of Victorian ladies being blown along the seafront with billowing dresses. "One thing that impresses me is the Victorian character of the town," he says. "I've got this picture of the maidens in their floating dresses in Brighton on the wall of my office. It's a kind of inspiration and the towers now do look as if they relate to that." The towers are each 24 storeys and 250 feet high.
I realize that Gehry is known for his designs rather than his words, but when you compare what he says about his new design in Brighton, England to his new design in Brooklyn, New York, his words come across as either a disrepectful con of his audience, or great hubris and belief in the unerring rightness of his artistry: really superficial thoughts presented as profound art. Look at the smugness with which he presents them in this video. And I like a lot of this guy's work.
The form of the towers in Brooklyn, Gehry says, come from trying to understand the buildings of Brooklyn. And the form of the towers in Brighton come from trying to understand the buildings of Brighton. But anyone other than Gehry would say the towers look a lot more like each other than anything else in either place.
We're told that "copying" Brooklyn would trivialize Brooklyn, but apparently it's okay to copy your own work, as long as the British Victorian towers specific to Brighton also express the body language of Brooklyn.
Brooklyn critics of the sheer height of Gehry's Atlantic Yards project should note that Gehry didn't want towers in Brighton:
Gehry said that he had never wanted very tall towers, but that he was urged to do so by the Government's architecture watchdog, CABE (Commission for Architecture and the Built Environment). However, he chose to slash the height after winning the competition. "From the beginning, I thought that higher buildings were out of scale with the community," he said. "Then we discovered that there was a price premium on building taller anyway because of ground conditions on the shoreline. So in the end God had the final say, which is comforting." Now the scheme is only 10 per cent more dense than the city's Regency squares and terraces, he says - "so we're in the ballpark."
May 18, 2006 in Architecture, Culture, Current Affairs, New York, Urbanism | Permalink
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At least he recycles.
I find it interesting that not only do the designs seem to be copied, but his heartfelt "off the cuff" descriptions of how he was inspired.
Flowing veils of the Brooklyn bride vs. floating dresses of the Brighton maidens. How original.
Reminds me of a story I heard from a girlfriend who was taking a roadtrip with one of her girlfriends she'd been out of touch with for awhile. One of the excuses for the trip was for her to cut loose after a recent break-up. She spent the first hour or so of the trip talking about what a jerk the guy was. "But," she said "he did make me a really nice mix tape when we first met, and I still play it." Of course, when she popped it in the deck, her friend immediately recognized it as the special mix tape she had received from a guy she had just met a few days earlier.
Posted by: Dope on the Slope at May 18, 2006 3:22:55 PM
"The form of the towers in Brooklyn, Gehry says, come from trying to understand the buildings of Brooklyn."
Yeah while on an acid trip
Posted by: Jon at May 18, 2006 7:04:48 PM
Hi John,
I live just down the road alonng the seafront from the proposed Gehry development in Brighton. It is actually in Hove which became lumped in with Brighton when it became a city. Hove is a fairly quiet place with many retired people. It has a long unspoiled seafront.
Very interested to see your article about the Brooklyn Bride. It looks very familiar
The development here is much too big for the area and has no relationship with it.
The Council was supposed to provide a new sports/leisure centre(a good one sadly lacking at the moment). The idea was that the towers and 4 blocks round them would pay for the leisure centre in the middle by the developer, Karis. selling them off. However both English Heritage and CABE, committe for architecture in the built up environment or something like that have opposed it saying it is seriously flawed. An independent valuer has said the flats will not pay for the sports centre and the city ratepayers will have to contribute something. How much? we don't know. That was not how they won the competition. The city was supposed to get the leisure centre free.
Now the goal posts are changing. The Council is blindly determined to build it. I think it will ruin Hove. The infrastructure of the area will be damaged. Many alredy existing Victorian homes will be in shadow as the new buildings loom over them. The sports centre does not even appear to have a view of the sea which is right next to it only the hideous random colors of the shrapnel like roof (which were not on the original design). We end up paying for the sports centre and get stuck with a huge monstrosity on the Hove seafront. Most people in the town just want a decent sports centre to replace the old one on the same site.
I think Richard Rogers design was better. Terraces with gardens which English people like and spaces between the buildings so you can see the Victorian ones behind and not dominating the area so much.
Interesting to see the connection with the Brooklyn Bride. Must have come from the same computer. The Victorian ladies idea never fooled me. It just seemed so ridiculous and why would an architect designing a 21st century building be influenced by Victorian ladies skirts.
Hope it never gets built
I haven't got anything against new buildings (I live in a Recency house) but this development is just plain wrong for the site.
Best Wishes
Lynne
Posted by: Lynne at Jun 2, 2006 7:28:20 AM
